
Steven Sinofsky, a prominent figure in the tech industry, recently highlighted a "killer episode" of Lenny's Podcast featuring Stewart Butterfield, co-founder of Slack and Flickr. Sinofsky, via a tweet, strongly recommended the episode, urging listeners to take notes and enjoy the "warm stories, experiences, and lessons learned" shared by Butterfield. The episode, titled "Mental models for building products people love," delves into the strategic thinking behind two of the internet's most influential products.
Stewart Butterfield, known for his instrumental role in creating Flickr and Slack, which was acquired by Salesforce in a significant tech deal, made a rare podcast appearance with host Lenny Rachitsky. The discussion focused on the product frameworks and leadership principles that underpinned his success. Butterfield, who has been concentrating on family, philanthropy, and creative endeavors since leaving Salesforce, offered insights applicable to anyone involved in product development or team leadership.
The podcast explored seven core mental models and principles. These included "Hyper-realistic work-like activities," "The owner’s delusion," and "Utility curves," which Butterfield uses to prioritize ideas and understand product value. Other key topics covered were "Don’t make me think," a foundational design philosophy, "We don’t sell saddles here," emphasizing communication of value, "Tilting your umbrella," a Slack core value, and advice on "When to pivot."
Lenny Rachitsky, the podcast host, revealed that it took two years to secure Butterfield for the interview, underscoring the rarity of his public appearances. The conversation also touched upon Butterfield's current life, his philosophy on continuous improvement, and the importance of generosity in leadership. The episode offers a deep dive into the strategic and empathetic approaches that shaped products used by millions globally.